Whenever I hear someone say "I don't mean to be rude/a dick/a prude/a snob/an ass/whathaveyou," I almost instinctively say "It just comes naturally to you, right?"
Because I have a friend who has a habit of doing that. I almost got into trouble when I absentmindedly said that to a stranger XD

OMG

BUDDHA THE ANIMATED FILM

WITH THEME SONG BY X JAPAN


M0InLaMatC4
I think I felt my tears move.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJKShl2ss04&feature=related

One-eyed girl....strangely endearing?

Edit: Also, decapitated dog: understandably repulsive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSrIkUXwsNk

A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Suppose if this thread were to disappear, how many of you would lose interest in Ichigo's and, maybe leave this place?

Why?

A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Suppose if this thread were to disappear, how many of you would lose interest in Ichigo's and, maybe leave this place?

It happened before and activity went down drastically if I remember correctly hahahah

It happened before and activity went down drastically if I remember correctly hahahah

This.

It happened before and activity went down drastically if I remember correctly hahahah

Yeah, this.

Why?

Just askin'


It happened before and activity went down drastically if I remember correctly hahahah

That's activity only for the people who mainly post in this thread, but the rest of the forums...


The reason is that I've initiated some plans to completely change the future of Ichigo's. Before anything happens though, I want to get a feel for what you guys think.

A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE

Suppose if this thread were to disappear, how many of you would lose interest in Ichigo's and, maybe leave this place?

I'd still stick around. Ichigos is the only place on the internet that I'm actually active and not a lurker. I'd probably migrate over to the music section and try to be useful there. After all, the music part of Ichigos is the main reason I came here in the first place.

The reason is that I've initiated some plans to completely change the future of Ichigo's. Before anything happens though, I want to get a feel for what you guys think.
Well, as you just said, you're posting in a thread made up almost completely of people who only post in this thread. What do you think we think? ~___~
I, for one, would stick around, but....

And lol, it suddenly got busy in here. Lurkers everywhere... =D

I'd still stick around. Ichigos is the only place on the internet that I'm actually active and not a lurker. I'd probably migrate over to the music section and try to be useful there. After all, the music part of Ichigos is the main reason I came here in the first place.
Yeah, a couple of us post over in the music sections, cool cool.


Well, as you just said, you're posting in a thread made up almost completely of people who only post in this thread. What do you think we think? ~___~
I, for one, would stick around, but....Whatcha talkin' about willis, the question only applies to the people who post in this thread (myself included). Why would I ask the rest of the forums ~___~


And lol, it suddenly got busy in here. Lurkers everywhere... =D D:

Whatcha talkin' about willis, the question only applies to the people who post in this thread (myself included). Why would I ask the rest of the forums ~___~
Well, like you already said, the last time we got rid of General Chat, the people in General Chat stopped posting. I'm asking why you're asking us what we think, when we showed you what we thought last time. Also, I'm pretty sure I already copyrighted the ~____~ trollface. XD
What plans do you have, besides just erasing GC again? Anything awesome? =D
This place does feel stale. = \

In regards to those plans you mentioned Zero, I'd be happy to help with anything that needs doing. Particularly in the music section, since I really wish to contribute and help in some way.

Also, I'm pretty sure I already copyrighted the ~____~ trollface. XD Trollface? Moar like TROLLEDFACE

What plans do you have, besides just erasing GC again? Anything awesome? =D
This place does feel stale. = \ Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?

If so, the new Ichigo's might be for you.

(Everything's still VERY pre-emptive so maybe you guys can have a hand in sharing how you'd like to see Ichigo's change because like you said, since this place is fucking stale)

Trollface? Moar like TROLLEDFACE
D: !?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?
Yeah! =D
But the old Ichigos has those sections, too. And the art section is freaking DEAD. We have almost no artists here, and I don't think that's gonna get fixed, since we're known as a music site. I don't see how we'll attract more artists when this is a sheet music site. =(
Same thing goes with the writing and games and such. Isn't the music section pretty healthy?
Also, I do post in the art sections already when I see something worth commenting on, or I have something worth posting. Getting rid of GC definitely isn't going to spur me to post in the art sections any more than I already do, I'm afraid.

And I have no idea how to destalify this place. I'm not even sure if it's actually stale. It might just FEEL stale to me because I've been here for so long. XP

In regards to those plans you mentioned Zero, I'd be happy to help with anything that needs doing. Particularly in the music section, since I really wish to contribute and help in some way. I have a vague idea of how things will look...


D: !?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah! =D
But the old Ichigos has those sections, too. And the art section is freaking DEAD. We have almost no artists here, and I don't think that's gonna get fixed, since we're known as a music site. I don't see how we'll attract more artists when this is a sheet music site. =(
Same thing goes with the writing and games and such. Isn't the music section pretty healthy?
Also, I do post in the art sections already when I see something worth commenting on, or I have something worth posting. Getting rid of GC definitely isn't going to spur me to post in the art sections any more than I already do, I'm afraid.

And I have no idea how to destalify this place. I'm not even sure if it's actually stale. It might just FEEL stale to me because I've been here for so long. XP

Getting rid of GC isn't gonna get the people who only post in GC to branch over to the other forums - that's correct.

However, I plan to shift the focus of the forums towards music & the arts (arts in general, not just visual arts). It's a delicate matter that has more to do with the overall atmosphere and balance of the forums, rather than simply trying to create more activity in those areas.

One of many the ways to achieve this is to, in a word, destroy, GC and give the General Chat forum a completely new start. There's a reason why it feels like it's been the same people day after day after day after day... which is okay, but... (GC won't magically disappear without warning, so you can be relieved about that, this is all very fresh)

It has less to do with attracting more people than it is to create an environment that's welcoming and nourishing. Ichigo's isn't as good as it can be for the new people who come here, even for the people who come here just to talk in the general forums. Things could be alot fucking better.

Nothing's gonna happen overnight - there is no magic pill - but don't you think something's gotta change?

Yeah, this place is rotten. Do whatever you want with it. XD

^ Can't figure out if you're being sarcastic or not.

Oh well, time for some guitar~

Ah, sorry, I wasn't, lol.
This place is great, but it really does feel like it's rotting. Me and X just had a big discussion about it. :x
Like you said, though, it's the whole atmosphere of the place. I think you're going to have a really hard time fixing it. =(

I agree with Zero. Ichigos just has the band of regulars that sit in the same room on the same furniture each day.

As being a new member not terribly long ago, the only way that I managed to get anywhere with the forum is replying to other peoples sheet music requests and doing odd stuff around the music section. Eventually some of the more noted members such as Death Raider and Porsche started to comment on my posts etc and only then did I have a "chance" at fitting in.

Now I don't think we really want all new members to go through this video game leveling type system just to be noted.


I think a little attitude change might help to. No offense (lol, I just had to add that :P), but we can come across as pretty brash and unapproachable. Think walking down a city street at night and seeing a group of people yelling and stupid at the other end. No one is going to walk past the group, let alone try to converse with them. I think if we just wise up a little and treated new posts and members like professionals things would get a fair bit better and more productive around here.

Would that mean more strict rules? Maybe, and I'm not saying everyone is like this, but hell, we just had another argument in general chat. They're bound to happen but we can at least approach these a little more grown up.


Now that everyone has had a good smack on the backside and donned a suit, how about we all sit down. have coffee, and get things rolling. :)



EDIT: I think Hopeless is onto something as well. Changing or "fixing" Ichigos will be a challenge, the only way to make things start to happen around here is to have something different. As far as I can tell, Ichigos is known for music, specifically transcribing sheets. Nothing else really springs to mind as to what we can do. Maybe a discussion session over Skype or something is in order as to what we could do?

2ndEDIT: I had an even better idea. Why don't we discuss all of this over Ichigos Chat. :D Since we've got it there and its been neglected for quite some time.

The rules/guidelines exist (http://forums.ichigos.com/faq.php?faq=faq_post#faq_new_faq_item), I think people just need to remember to follow them. =/


Our members are the soul of Ichigo's, and we expect everyone to be treated with respect.

* Treat all members with respect. Any personal attacks on another person or their beliefs is not tolerated.
* Any arguments about personal matters between users will be deleted. Constructive arguments about subjects such as religion are fine, anything that digresses into personal attacks is not. Use a method of communication outside the forums.
* Be honest in your posts. Don't think up BS to post just to get attention. Saying "OMG I'VEN BEEN RAPED" and then 10 pages later saying it's a joke is not funny, so don't do it."

Some of this stuff happens frequently (especially the first and second bulleted items), and the declared consequences haven't been followed through on...

So yeah... Everyone has room to improve, but to start encouraging improvement, enforcement might be the best way. Also, admins/mods, oldbies, newbies alike... all of us need to be held to these same standards, since unequal justice would be no justice at all. In other words, when an admin and regular user get into it, maybe they both need a few days away to cool their heads. But, they should also be encouraged to resolve their differences privately, so that when they're able to come back, they don't get into it with each other again.

Oh Saber I've entered you so many times.

I was at this petrol station a few days ago. I had to take a shit, so I went to the toilet at the back... and guess what? A sign was pasted at the only cubicle saying, "If you need to use toilet paper, please purchase some from the dispenser just outside the toilet." It was bad enough that the machine dispenses a tape only 1.5 meters long for every 20 Singapore cents. (16 US cents)

Tell me, how am I supposed to redeem something as abominable to mankind as that? XD

A quick two cents. If there were a team that constantly provided feedback on the composition forum and a team that was constantly trying to help people find (not necessarily transcribe/arrange) sheet music in the requests forum, I think there would be a possibility of a more active and new-user friendly Ichigo's.

A quick two cents. If there were a team that constantly provided feedback on the composition forum and a team that was constantly trying to help people find (not necessarily transcribe/arrange) sheet music in the requests forum, I think there would be a possibility of a more active and new-user friendly Ichigo's.

This is exactly the kind of thing I think we need. Maybe if we were to assign certain people to these tasks and make say, a roster thread in the music section detailing who they are and what they do it'd be easier for people to communicate with us and us to them. It'd be more official to say the least anyway. :heh:

Good idea Porsche.

Sign me up for providing feedback in GC.

Sign me up for site admin!
No, I'll just take head chef. You can all be my loyal cooks! =D

Sign me up for site admin!
No, I'll just take head chef. You can all be my loyal cooks! =D

Whom is indirectly getting advise on how to bake bread.

YAKITATE JAPAN STYLE
i require your warm and supple fingers to knead my dough

which makes me want some rice cooker bread. that stuff is amazingly tasty

Whom is indirectly getting advise on how to bake bread.

I said chef, not baker!
Speaking of which, BREAD CAN GO FUCK ITSELF. That was probably the densest, most disgusting tasting loaf of bread I've ever encountered. = =;;
I'm gonna have to go beg a baker to teach me how to not be retarded or something apparently.

YAKITATE JAPAN STYLE
i require your warm and supple fingers to knead my dough
My fingers are cold and gross, apparently. =(

I'm gonna have to go beg a baker to teach me how to not be retarded or something apparently.

Kenshiro: WATAAAH!!

*points* You are already bread.

I said chef, not baker!
Speaking of which, BREAD CAN GO FUCK ITSELF. That was probably the densest, most disgusting tasting loaf of bread I've ever encountered. = =;;
I'm gonna have to go beg a baker to teach me how to not be retarded or something apparently.

You must be doing it wrong. Bread is like girls: Sugar, Spice, and Everything not nice.




... I think I messed that up somewhere.

Kenshiro: WATAAAH!!

*points* You are already bread.
Hahah, I actually laughed out loud at that. XD

You must be doing it wrong.
lol, obviously. Don't know what, though!
And thanks for the advice earlier, even though I failed even with it, hahah.

lol, obviously. Don't know what, though!
And thanks for the advice earlier, even though I failed even with it, hahah.

If the bread was dense, then you need more water and a longer rise time. Also, I should warn you that my bread recipes tend to be more on the dense side. I consider bread as a part of a meal, not a compliment to something else.

Along with the fact that I still have some muscle memory from back when I worked as a baker.

Yeahhhh. I dunno, for one thing, I used all-purpose flour, instead of bread flour. I don't know how much of a difference that makes, but...
Also, my bread seemed....too moist at first, but then I cooked it even more, and it didnt go away. And there were only like...stands of wetness in the dough.
I think it's mostly my technique/lack of know-how. I'm pretty sure I just majorly fucked up while kneading the dough or something.
I dunno. Probably a collection of a bunch of little problems that lead to terrible bread. X3

Yeahhhh. I dunno, for one thing, I used all-purpose flour, instead of bread flour. I don't know how much of a difference that makes, but...
Also, my bread seemed....too moist at first, but then I cooked it even more, and it didnt go away. And there were only like...stands of wetness in the dough.
I think it's mostly my technique/lack of know-how. I'm pretty sure I just majorly fucked up while kneading the dough or something.
I dunno. Probably a collection of a bunch of little problems that lead to terrible bread. X3

Flour, while important, should ultimately be swappable. All purpose works just fine, though the flavor might be a bit more bland than normal. You can fix this by increasing the salt and yeast content to make the bread flavor be a bit stronger. And never overcook bread; it will make a brick. Similarly, if the bread is too wet before you let it rise, mix in more flour. Only after you let the bread rise is it too late to make any adjustments without making French bread. Your oven might be hotter than mine, too, which would result in flash cooking where the dough sweats and the outside hardens (that's how bagels are actually made).

Also, NOIZE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LciylndQPu8

But wait, someone liked this song, to rewrite it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Uhh_F-inA

Don't believe me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZVOyy-E6yg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXCTdLr5HGA

^LOL there was a big controversy about that. I think the group admitted to plagiarism fairly recently

*Face palm*

Wait no...

*Anime fall*

hmm..i cant see youtube videos when theyre in spoiler tags :/

Non-spoilered youtube vids make me sick. It's like shoving TV right in somebody's face. So intrusive.


So the other day I ordered some music equipment online rather than picking it up from the store because they offered free shipping. So I did that, and now I find out they're shipping from halfway across the fricken continent. WTF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/ZeroIchigo/gonk.gif

Do not "WTF" yet. Wait until your equipment arrive, if it is broke then you can go and say WTF http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/ZeroIchigo/gonk.gif

I hope it arrive safe!

I love Kimi ni Todoke's season 2 opening so much...
But I want to wait until there are a lot more episodes out before I start watching the show.
But I've already watched the first three episodes. ;___;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHMaJmg5Vz4
There you go, Zero. ;)

HOW DO I YOUTUBE?
Edit: Nevermind. What's with our overly complicated youtube tags? XD

^so nice, I like the first season's op more but I guess it needs to grow on me first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ZZAZr2_I4

Hahahaha

^so nice, I like the first season's op more but I guess it needs to grow on me first
Yeah, it's really pretty. It grew on me pretty quick actually. I like it as much as the first season's already. XD
Also, I need to play Soul Blazer/Illusion of Gaia/Terranigma again, and actually beat them this time. = =;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_Pkgiom-c

Such a weird song...

A HEADS UP TO THE CROWD: THIS THREAD IS NEAR THE END OF ITS LIFE. GGS KTHXBAI


If you were given the chance shower the whole universe with the deepest bliss you know, in exchange for bearing all the suffering in the world by yourself, would you do it?

A HEADS UP TO THE CROWD: THIS THREAD IS NEAR THE END OF ITS LIFE. GGS KTHXBAI


If you were given the chance shower the whole universe with the deepest bliss you know, in exchange for bearing all the suffering in the world by yourself, would you do it?

That would be quite the emotional roller coaster.

hmm GC Dying huh.

Might be the end for me, hell 5 years was a good run I guess :P.

The end is coming...................or? Is it the beginning? :think:

All held the finite and infinite as unrelated. None could forsee that the history of the two would become one.

Without beginning or end, the ring stretches to infinite.

This is the Apocalypse people! The great Prophet is revealing his visions!


BE PREPARED EVERYBODY!

The end is coming...................or? Is it the beginning? :think:
Definitely the beginning.

hmm GC Dying huh.

Might be the end for me, hell 5 years was a good run I guess :P.
*Holds Luis close*
WE'LL GO DOWN TOGETHER MAN!

Me and my little brother were practicing Judo throws last night (thank you, youtube-sensei), and I totally pulled a leg muscle getting thrown. XP
I was like "YOU GOTTA THROW ME HARDER, OR WE CAN'T TELL IF WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT."
And he was like "BUT THE VIDEO SAID YOU COULD GET HURT AT THE END OF IT!"
And I was like "YEAH RIGHT JUST DO IT!"
And then he smashed me into the ground back-first and I was like "BLEARARREGHHH!~!"

So Judo's pretty cool. =D
I wanna find a gym for that now...

I went snowboarding today and did 6 cliff drops! The cliffs are really only like 4-6 feet, but it's still exhilarating as hell. Right up until the edge of two of the drops I did it was really really steep so I had to get within ten feet of the edge before I actually started pointing my board down-hill, and even then I was fucking flying off that edge. This cliff is right under a chair-lift too, so I had pressure from all the eyes on me. Today was a great day.

All held the finite and infinite as unrelated. None could forsee that the history of the two would become one.

Without beginning or end, the ring stretches to infinite.

I am the bone of my sword?

Yeah, stuff's about to get real on this site, so do be prepared.

So is someone going to say what's going down?

Nothing is chaining that drastically, don't worry. But this thread is going to be going away in a few days.

Can't argue with Gand!
Hope this goes better than last time, though. Pretty sure last time we lost a few regulars, and got nothing in return for them. X3
What percentage of the forum's posts are in this thread, anyway? Do you guys have stats for that?

We do, and there's a lot of posts in this thread. However, post count isn't what we want, it's meaningful discussion. There's some really good threads all over the forum. I mean seriously, this is just like chat.. so why not use IRC/chat? Nobody is going to look through all 500+ pages of this thread.

We do, and there's a lot of posts in this thread. However, post count isn't what we want, it's meaningful discussion.
I was hoping you'd share them with us. ;P
I wasn't suggesting this thread was needed or good because of it's high post count...I was just curious more than anything. And really, if this thread somehow holds 80% of the forum's posts, that is sort of a problem.

I mean seriously, this is just like chat.. so why not use IRC/chat? Nobody is going to look through all 500+ pages of this thread.
It's not just like a chat, though. We're not all on at the same time of day, so obviously we can't all chat with each other. Most of our schedules stay relatively unchanged day-to-day, so I'm sure there are plenty of members out there I'd rarely (if ever) see in IRC, even if everyone did talk there instead of here.

My advice to help forum traffic would be this:
Since it looks like 90% of our visitor traffic heads straight to the Sheet Music Request forum, grabs their completely unearned sheets, and then leaves forever....firstly, combine Music Discussion and Compositions...and secondly, make the music request forum a subforum of the Music Discussion/Composition forum, forcing all of our new traffic to at least take a look at our other main music sections before taking their free music and leaving on us. Maybe even make members with less than ten posts unable to post in the Sheet Music Request subforum, to FORCE them to stick around a little while, thereby forcing them to come to know (and love) our exceedingly charming regular user base (eg myself). Maybe merge Anime and Manga with the Art forum, pushing traffic towards our empty art forum as well, and hopefully getting more people interested in drawing and such. Basically, I think our forums are spread too thin right now. Make them denser so that people with crossing interests will meet and talk with each other. Right now, our art people don't talk with the manga people, so let's force them to! The more people post in the other forums, the more people will feel like posting in them, driving activity higher and higher. People don't want to post in places they feel nobody is going to see what they're going to say. That's why everyone posts here in General Chat, where they know everyone will see what they're posting.

Good idea, or great idea? You decide! I'll accept no compensation if you decide to go ahead with my schemes, though. I owe you for hosting the site, anyway! ;3

We will never force users to make meaningless posts or stick around for the sake of promoting activity on the forum. This goes 100% against our philosophy of quality over quantity (hence, post counts are disabled and other metrics are hidden from users). Similarly, it makes no sense to make people jump through hoops to do the core function of our forums. That would simply annoy everyone and drive them away (similar to what the admins our competition forums back in 2005; I can't remember the forum name).


We already have a tentative plan for things after a somewhat lengthy debate, and everyone will see it for themselves in the near future.

Terrible ideas as always HC. Not everyone wants to sit arround in forums. We have facebook for that stuff. Atleast with the traffic you'll get people using the side adds sometimes.
Do you let a man forrage a few berries, or force him to remove entire bushes? :P
With GC going we can expect stronger talk in the other forums, be it artsie fartsie stuff like your doodles and my toys, or the more mechanical topics of cars and instruments.
As long as we, the members, want ichigos to stay alive then we'll adapt and force it to work naturally.

We will never force users to make meaningless posts or stick around for the sake of promoting activity on the forum. This goes 100% against our philosophy of quality over quantity (hence, post counts are disabled and other metrics are hidden from users). Similarly, it makes no sense to make people jump through hoops to do the core function of our forums. That would simply annoy everyone and drive them away (similar to what the admins our competition forums back in 2005; I can't remember the forum name).


We already have a tentative plan for things after a somewhat lengthy debate, and everyone will see it for themselves in the near future.

I think if people wanted sheet music, they'd stick around for a whole five-ten posts to get it. I think it does make sense to have them jump through one more forum, because it'd force them to at least look at the other forums, hopefully getting them to post more in them. Anything that doesn't annoy users enough to make them leave is great for us, because it'll either have a.)absolutely no effect on the way they post, or b.)it'll get them to post in other forums more. In pubic forums, quantity EQUALS quality. Who the hell is going to post a three page essay on how to compose in a forum where they know they'll only get two replies? Nobody. If you want to encourage better posts, encourage MORE posts. That's the most natural way!

Terrible ideas as always HC. Not everyone wants to sit arround in forums. We have facebook for that stuff. Atleast with the traffic you'll get people using the side adds sometimes.
Huh? lol what the hell are you talking about? Why are you posting here if you don't want to post in the forums? For the most part, I try to keep facebook confined to people I know in person. Maybe you're different? I, for one, can't see Ichigos replacing facebook for me, or vice versa.

Do you let a man forrage a few berries, or force him to remove entire bushes?
Force him to remove the entire bush. Then he'll be around longer, and he'll talk to the other foragers, instead of stealing our berries and running away like an asshole.

With GC going we can expect stronger talk in the other forums, be it artsie fartsie stuff like your doodles and my toys, or the more mechanical topics of cars and instruments.
I'm assuming you have a really short memory span, or you weren't around a few years ago when they removed GC. We can expect the EXACT OPPOSITE of stronger talk in other forums if they remove GC, assuming they don't do anything differently than last time. Which they're saying they won't, but, you know...
And painting doesn't belong in the same category as buttplugs and collars, you jackass. =P

As long as we, the members, want ichigos to stay alive then we'll adapt and force it to work naturally.
The members will want Ichigos to stay alive as long as they're having an enjoyable time here. Last time GC was removed, this place turned into a ghost town.

Anyway, I'm excited to see what you admins have thought up. =)

OKAY

FORGET EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE THIS POST

What we're doing with Ichigo's is shifting the focus on Music. We're gonna bring Ichigo's to its full potential, which is primarily giving artists an outlet to explore their hobby and discover their potential. Every other part of the forum is icing on the cake. We know that some of the regulars won't be happy that this thread will disappear - hell, I won't be happy about it either as I've been posting in GC threads and all of its previous incarnations for longer than most people here - but it's for the best.

Think about it, how many of us post here just for a couple threads here? I don't blame anyone, there is a certain charm about it where we see the same faces everyday and post on the same forum everyday. But things have gotten stagnant, and we want to move on. When things get old, no matter how comfortable it is, if things can be ALOT better, we gotta do it even if it means leaving everything behind.

Like I wrote before, the new Ichigo's we've got planned sounds something like this:


Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?

If so, the new Ichigo's might be for you.

Don't get me wrong. I love GC. It's been around forever and I'm gonna miss it more than anyone else. But... you can just create another forum and have a GC there, right?

I think if people wanted sheet music, they'd stick around for a whole five-ten posts to get it. I think it does make sense to have them jump through one more forum, because it'd force them to at least look at the other forums, hopefully getting them to post more in them. Anything that doesn't annoy users enough to make them leave is great for us, because it'll either have a.)absolutely no effect on the way they post, or b.)it'll get them to post in other forums more. In pubic forums, quantity EQUALS quality. Who the hell is going to post a three page essay on how to compose in a forum where they know they'll only get two replies? Nobody. If you want to encourage better posts, encourage MORE posts. That's the most natural way!

Quality as in the whole shebang; not just length. I've seen plenty of six word posts made that are very much quality. What will forcing a post count do to new users that are coming here for sheet music? Spam. And they'll do it real quick, make the thread for their request and then leave the forum as they originally intended. We want people here that want to be here, not that are forced to be here or that we had to force them to learn that they belonged here (holy left field communist Batman)

They don't plan to cut it out like the cancerous growth. It will be replaced by more direct sections.


Huh? lol what the hell are you talking about? Why are you posting here if you don't want to post in the forums? For the most part, I try to keep facebook confined to people I know in person. Maybe you're different? I, for one, can't see Ichigos replacing facebook for me, or vice versa.
I'm saying not all people want to get trapped in some new forum when they already have other places to sit arround being social.

OKAY

FORGET EVERYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE THIS POST

What we're doing with Ichigo's is shifting the focus on Music. We're gonna bring Ichigo's to its full potential, which is primarily giving artists an outlet to explore their hobby and discover their potential. Every other part of the forum is icing on the cake. We know that some of the regulars won't be happy that this thread will disappear - hell, I won't be happy about it either as I've been posting in GC threads and all of its previous incarnations for longer than most people here - but it's for the best.

Think about it, how many of us post here just for a couple threads here? I don't blame anyone, there is a certain charm about it where we see the same faces everyday and post on the same forum everyday. But things have gotten stagnant, and we want to move on. When things get old, no matter how comfortable it is, if things can be ALOT better, we gotta do it even if it means leaving everything behind.

Like I wrote before, the new Ichigo's we've got planned sounds something like this:


Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?

If so, the new Ichigo's might be for you.

Don't get me wrong. I love GC. It's been around forever and I'm gonna miss it more than anyone else. But... you can just create another forum and have a GC there, right?
Yeah, I totally agree with that direction. I'm just excitedly waiting to see exactly how you guys are going to accomplish that. XD
Get on with it! =P

Quality as in the whole shebang; not just length. I've seen plenty of six word posts made that are very much quality. What will forcing a post count do to new users that are coming here for sheet music? Spam. And they'll do it real quick, make the thread for their request and then leave the forum as they originally intended. We want people here that want to be here, not that are forced to be here or that we had to force them to learn that they belonged here (holy left field communist Batman)
Again, a larger community will attract more quality commentors. Why would a quality composer post on a forum with twenty active members instead of a forum with a hundred active members?
And once more, forcing people to stick around a little while to get what they want will help us retain more members. You're right that 90% of the members we make post here for awhile will still simply get their sheet music and leave forever once they've reached the designated post count, but the other 10% will surely realize "hey, composing is interesting! Maybe I should stick around here a bit longer and see what this community is like; that guy who responded to that post [I was forced to make] awhile back seemed like a decent fellow; it'd be a shame to just never talk to him again!" EVERYONE comes here looking for sheet music; the site is advertised as a sheet music site, so the only people who find it are the ones looking for sheet music. Some visitors end up seeing that this place is a decent community and end up staying; most don't. Forcing people to stick around for a little while before leaving would DEFINITELY net us more regulars, and I don't think it'd scare many people at all away from here. It's not hard to make five-ten decent posts, especially if you're looking to make a sheet music request. As for spam, that's where you mods come in! And why, exactly, don't we want members who we taught they belonged here? That sounds nonsensical to me...why does it matter how they decide they want to stick around? = \

They don't plan to cut it out like the cancerous growth. It will be replaced by more direct sections.
Source?

I'm saying not all people want to get trapped in some new forum when they already have other places to sit arround being social.
So, why do we care? The admins are trying to get more regular traffic to the site. The feelings of users who plan on visiting here once and then leaving forever shouldn't really factor into that...unless of course it scares traffic away, which it wouldn't. Such a low post requirement won't keep anyone from visiting here if they're looking for sheet music, which is hard to come by.

But I'm done arguing; it's up to you admin types to decide what you want to do anyway. If your plans work, then great. If not, you can always just revert the site back to the way it is now, which you guys have done a few times before. ;P

[05:07] <+hantony> HC is trying to TROLL me!
[05:07] <+hantony> ban him!
[05:07] <+hantony> he asks for source when the top of his own post quotes such ideas


And if you don't care, They could always scrap the comunity altogether and just be here for the sheet music requests and compositions. I for one would like to see these changes, though I'm aware some issues are still being debated and worked though by the site admin and staff admin.

And if you don't care, They could always scrap the comunity altogether and just be here for the sheet music requests and compositions. I for one would like to see these changes, though I'm aware some issues are still being debated and worked though by the site admin and staff admin.
I lol'd at the "he's trying to TROLL me!" XD
And they haven't said anything concrete at all yet. They said the same kind of "we're gonna change things around for the better!" the last time they deleted GC, too, and then....nothing happened. I don't mind either way, I'm just throwing my two cents in in case they're not sure what they want to do yet. =)
And why would the want to "just scrap the community altogether?" Oo
I'm assuming their goal is to get higher traffic running through here, and that would seem to be counter-productive...

Edit:also, could we somehow show who's in IRC somewhere on the site/forums? That might drive more traffic there, too. = =

I honestly only stick around for GC, Post your picture and Car threads. I do occasionally check on Xspeed's art thread... I fear I'm less alone in this than I thought and its a real shame. I miss the days of logging on to IRC and burning some time, discussions varied wildly and were quite entertaining/informative. Hell I sometimes log on just to see if M will throw me one of his signature rants.... I'd even settle for Saya :(


But reminiscing is useless I suppose, there's less of you guys, and many more of my kind I think. Which has left other parts of the forum incredibly empty and I understand thats nowhere near ideal for this forum and its purpose.


Are you a musician? Are you an artist? Do you like being creative and making art, maybe a little writing?

If so, the new Ichigo's might be for you.

I hate to be that guy, but that just made me think "So...a crappy deviantart + music" I certainly hope I'm wrong, and I wish you guys the best of luck.

[Edit] I think HC's idea is worth looking into, I know that can be done for things like Teamspeak or Ventrillo since I've seen it done for gild sites, I assume the same could be said for IRC.

I'm assuming their goal is to get higher traffic running through here, and that would seem to be counter-productive...
Not higher traffic at all. We're simply gonna focus on the topic of the site - music.

Lets put it in this way: Most forums only use 30% of their potential. Ichigo's allows us to tap into the other 70%.
Well, that's what we've got planned anyways. There's alot of untapped potential here that we're gonna bring to its fullest.

Like I said, I hate to let GC go as well. I loved it.


Edit:also, could we somehow show who's in IRC somewhere on the site/forums? That might drive more traffic there, too. = =
We could do something about the chat...

Edit:
I honestly only stick around for GC, Post your picture and Car threads. I do occasionally check on Xspeed's art thread... I fear I'm less alone in this than I thought and its a real shame. I miss the days of logging on to IRC and burning some time, discussions varied wildly and were quite entertaining/informative. Yeah, that's what alot of us have been sticking around for up until now. I was gonna leave the forums completely before New Years and never come back. All we're doing is holding onto the past...

Luis, you are definitely not alone in this.

/wrists

I do find, that we dont have many new threads. Especially in the GC bit, its just the same few threads over and over. heck, im scared to post new ones :X

Perhaps we should look at locking a thread at 50 pages, and then creating another one? Ive seen this work really well on other forums, I think its a little less daunting to come to a thread with 30 pages rather than 486 (post your picture thread D:).
Feel free to shoot me down..

Will there be a new religion thread in the new ichigos?!

Will there be a new religion thread in the new ichigos?!

Much to counter my liking, No.

Will there be a new religion thread in the new ichigos?!
Hahahahahahahah, this, PLEASE. XD
But no, sounds like the mods are going to completely cut out anything not related to art or music, so that kind of thing won't happen here anymore.

I do find, that we dont have many new threads. Especially in the GC bit, its just the same few threads over and over. heck, im scared to post new ones :X

Perhaps we should look at locking a thread at 50 pages, and then creating another one? Ive seen this work really well on other forums, I think its a little less daunting to come to a thread with 30 pages rather than 486 (post your picture thread D:).
Feel free to shoot me down.. Yeah, I plan to wipe out a bunch of old threads that nobody will ever post in, as well as some of the ultra long threads that we still have. People will make new threads again, some of which will be duplicates of ones we had, but it'll make it easier for people to see how they can fit in here. The way it is now is quite a mess, and if I were somebody new I wouldn't want to join in (hell, we only post in a couple threads ourselves).


Will there be a new religion thread in the new ichigos?!You know what's weird about that? The only people who are ready to talk about religion are people who don't need to.


But no, sounds like the mods are going to completely cut out anything not related to art or music, so that kind of thing won't happen here anymore.No, but as far as the General Forums, we're cleaning it up and giving it a new, fresh start. The way it is now, there's too much baggage...


That would be quite the emotional roller coaster.
That's the direction I see my life moving in. I must have lost my mind somewhere.

Eeee, I got accepted to both colleges I applied to, not that I expected I wouldn't. I would have actually been really surprised if I got rejected. I'm still relieved though. Now I just gotta pick which one I wanna go to.

Can't argue with Gand!
Hope this goes better than last time, though. Pretty sure last time we lost a few regulars, and got nothing in return for them. X3
What percentage of the forum's posts are in this thread, anyway? Do you guys have stats for that?

The only regulars we'll be losing are the people who only come here for the general chat. Frankly, I don't think they'll be much of a loss. In fact, in some cases (not all, mind you) I'll be happy to be rid of them here.

People who're interested in music, anime, games and wotsnot will still be welcome here. People who come here for random smalltalk, messing about and not adding anything intelligent to this place might want to revert back to randomchatsiteforteenagerswhohavenolife.com or something similar to that. :P

When I first came to Ichigo's this forum was all about music. General chat was just an extra. Nowadays, General chat and the Music parts are basically two seperate forums with their own userbase. It's time that we find a direction in which we want to go with this place and I'm sorry to say (okay, I'm not) that we've chosen to shift the focus back to what the site's about (yes, there is a site, ichigos.com, I wouldn't be surprised if certain people here didn't even know that).

It's gonna be similar to what it was 8 years ago (http://web.archive.org/web/20021210152458/www.ichigosmusic.com/forum/index.php) :)

Will there be a new religion thread in the new ichigos?!

Why do people always go on about a stupid religion thread? If there's ONE subject you can't have a discussion about, it's religion. Religious people are brainwashed into thinking their religion is the only one, and Atheist think that those people are stupid. There, I just summed up the whole discussion for you in a single line, no need to waste a thread on it.

It's gonna be similar to what it was 8 years ago (http://web.archive.org/web/20021210152458/www.ichigosmusic.com/forum/index.php) :)

Haha, I was looking for that. By the time I joined things were a little different. Remember we had an Off-Topic forum with 10-20 different GC threads? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/ZeroIchigo/awesome.gif

The difference was people actually had discussions in every single one.

Haha, I was looking for that. By the time I joined things were a little different. Remember we had an Off-Topic forum with 10-20 different GC threads? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/ZeroIchigo/awesome.gif

The difference was people actually had discussions in every single one.

Like this one? (http://web.archive.org/web/20030401185458/www.ichigosmusic.com/forum/index.php)

i think it would be good if we had a sub forum for introductions only. That way we could easily see new members and greet them, rather than overlooking them in one big thread. Also, new members do seem to like making their own introduction threads anyway, as we have a few crop up that just get locked from time to time..
I for one, would be happy to keep an eye out for new members in such a place, and make sure that someone welcomed them. Maybe more people would stick around that way.

The only regulars we'll be losing are the people who only come here for the general chat. Frankly, I don't think they'll be much of a loss. In fact, in some cases (not all, mind you) I'll be happy to be rid of them here.

People who're interested in music, anime, games and wotsnot will still be welcome here. People who come here for random smalltalk, messing about and not adding anything intelligent to this place might want to revert back to randomchatsiteforteenagerswhohavenolife.com or something similar to that.
lmao.
You do realize roughly 99.99999% of your posts are made in this very thread, right?

I do agree, though. I think our more interesting members will simply just...migrate to other forums and talk about their hobbies. Really, I think we could get rid of this whole General Chat forum, and just keep the music and art ones...all the oldies post in here because it's easier, but we're probably all way more interesting/have a lot more in common than we all know. =D

The only other thread/s I post in is/are generally in the Anime forum and whatever interests me in the General Chat forum. If this thread were to disappear, I'd say I'll still be the one who puts up those anime season previews in the Anime forum, but other than that...I guess I'll gravitate to whatever interests me

lmao.
You do realize roughly 99.99999% of your posts are made in this very thread, right? And Neko, M, and I are willing to give it up. As much as we'd like this thread to continue, all we're doing is holding onto a past that we can't let go of...

I loved this thread and Ichigo's more than anyone else. It's truly unique. But it's no longer serving us as deeply as it can. It's about time we moved on...

CHANGE!

GO ICHIGO'S!

DARK METAMORPHOSIS!!!
I tried making a shakuhachi tonight, but it didn't go well, since I don't have any of the tools I need. I tried making it using just a utility knife and a screwdriver, but it was impossible. = =
I need a long drill bit or something to get all the bores out...

I ended up just lighting the bamboo on fire and walking around with the lights turned off in my house with my little brother. We were exploring a Zelda dungeon or something, lol. =D

The Ewi is still better.

Meh, I don't like the sound of it much...
I don't think I'd have even a small chance of making one of those, either. XD

Meh, I don't like the sound of it much...
I don't think I'd have even a small chance of making one of those, either. XD

Erm, it can be any sound... The Ewi is basically a real-time midi controller. Patches, VSTs, even MPTs can be passed through it.

Oh. Well that explains why I don't like it. I thought it sounded really synthy, which was my problem with it, but I thought it was just some weird sounding accordianish/flutish instrument.
So yeah, I still don't like it. XD
And good news. I just remembered why I draw. Now I can probably work harder! X3

Sprinter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwVfcYv-jE)

A fitting song as we leave our burdened pasts behind and enter a brand new chapter. Forward, into a bright new future of hope, dreams, and life.

http://soundcloud.com/jmixl-1/mixhouse-vs-rick-astley-the-jumpout-megamix-by-jonas-mix-larsen

I deny changing anything around here. I haven't done anything useful today. So if anyone complains, IT WASN'T ME. That, and I don't care about your complaints anyway. Why is this thread still here?